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Info-Mac Digest             Mon, 05 Oct 98       Volume 16 : Issue 182

Today's Topics:

      "Insufficient System Memory to Run Word"
      (A) LaserJet 6P printer
      (A) system update from MS Office CD
      (A) Type 10 crashes
      (Q) Extension Folder organization
      >>>'s
      >>>'s
      [Q] Fonts and monitor resolution
      [Q] OT vs. MacTCP (was OT/PPP vs. MacPPP)
      [Q] Scripting additions
      [Q] Sticky Cursor for sys7?
      [Q] Sunrise/sunset times
      Ancient Manuscript Backgrounds
      Bad BBox
      Caution about Norton Utils 8.0
      Corrupted Desktop Icon
      Disk Problems on G3s?
      From 7.5 directly to 7.5.5
      FWB HardDiskToolkit 2.5 problem
      FWB HardDiskToolkit 2.5 problem
      Fwd: >>>'s
      Fwd: Sysytem File: damaged
      Fwd: Sysytem File: damaged
      G3 Hard Drive partitions?
      Info-Mac Digest V16 #178
      Info-Mac Digest V16 #178
      LOST TALKING ALERTS AND VOICES
      Macintosh SE Fish Tank
      MacPlus and Zip
      Micropoils hard drive
      PCText 1.5 Problem
      PPT graphics filter
      PREFERENCES FOLDER
      Printing Webpages
      Q: Japanese WWW sites with US MacOS 8.1?
      Q:Netscape 4.06 and bus error
      Start Up
      Subject: >>>'s 
      SuperBoomerang like shareware
      Suppress RAM Disk warning?
      Suppress RAM Disk warning?
      System Update Disks
      Techtools Pro 2
      Virtual Reality
      Viruses: Mac & IBM

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Date: 03 Oct 98 12:14:51 -0500
From: WJ Shack <wjshack@anl.gov>
Subject: "Insufficient System Memory to Run Word"

There is a problem with Word 5.1 on PowerMacs.  You will get this message
no matter how much memory you have on your Mac.  You need
FixWordSystemMemory 2.1  which should be available (for free) on any Info-Mac mirror. 

FixWordSystemMemory is a system extension that tries to fix a problem
where Microsoft Word 5.1 (and perhaps 5.0 as well) refuses to startup,
complaining that there is a lack of system memory.  This usually happens if you
try to launch Word immediately after rebooting your computer; running
another application before Word will often solve the problem.  The problem is
that Word refuses to run unless there is a minimum amount of free space in
the Macintosh system heap.  In my experience it is a complete fix for the
problem

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Date: 3 Oct 98 19:04:12 -0400
From: "Scott Beach" <sbeach@front.net>
Subject: (A) LaserJet 6P printer

<SMALLER><SMALLER><FIXED>"Gino J. Piazza" <<gpiazza@maclink.net>
writes:

>Hi, can you use the LaserJet 6 printer on a Macintosh? I know you can
if

>you use Infowave's PowerPrint, however does one NEED to purchase
PowerPrint?

>In other words, can the LaserJet 6 printer be used as is with a Mac
(I'll be

>using it on a Quadra 800, no network). By the way, if I were to use a

>package like PowerPrint, would the LaserJet 6P printer give me good
output?

>Do you think I should also consider Stylescript?

Gino:</FIXED></SMALLER></SMALLER><X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMI=
LY><PARAM>Geneva</PARAM>

Sorry, the model that's Mac compatible is the 6MP ("M" for - you
guessed it). That model has a ROM SIMM that makes it Mac useable and
PostScript to boot. However, HP sells that SIMM as an upgrade, (at
least they did a few months back) so you can turn your 6P into a 6MP.

If you're going to get PowerPrint and want to be able to print any
PostScript output (like illustrator files etc.) then you probably will
want a PS emulator like StyleScript. However, you may find that the
ROM upgrade from HP is cheaper than the combination of PowerPrint &
StyleScript. If you ever plan on switching to another
non-Mac-compatible printer then that may still be the better choice
because they can print to hundreds of different printers.

Not only that but Infowave is a good Canadian company from beautiful
Burnaby British Columbia! (doesn't that make you want to buy a 6
pack?)

- Scott

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Apple's Macintosh is great any time

BUT

Ontario grown MacIntosh Apples are at their peak just about now.

Enjoy them while they're in season!</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE>

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Date: 5 Oct 98 06:50:30 -0400
From: "Scott Beach" <sbeach@front.net>
Subject: (A) system update from MS Office CD

<SMALLER><SMALLER><FIXED>kai_schwarzer@my-dejanews.com writes:

>I think I need to upgrade my (german) system 7.5 at least to 7.5.3,
to avoid

>some of these "bomb error 11" messages. To do so I took the
respective "System

>7.5 Update 2.0" which I occasional found on my Microsoft Mac Office
98. There

>are all the folders, with the correct names of the original floppies
(which in

>fact I do not have).

>

>I tried a lot (direct install, create a folder "...net install"), but
every

>single approach lead to the messeage "please insert disk ... 1",
which means

>to me that the cd-alization of these floppies went wrong.

>

>Does anybody know whether there is a chance to utilize this copy of
the system

>update? Modify the installer's script? Patch creation/modify time
stamps of

>folders/files? Or do I really have to download (gee, what a lot of
cups of

>coffee) the stuff?

Kai:</FIXED></SMALLER></SMALLER><X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMIL=
Y><PARAM>Geneva</PARAM>

Yes, that's a lot a coffee.

It could be that when someone made the MS Office disk they didn't get
the installer just right. If all the install files are there but the
installer and script haven't been duplicated one directory level up
from the "disk 1" folder then the installer will stall looking for
"disk 1" every time. You can fool the installer by either mounting a
copy of the "disk 1" or a an image of it. You have to be sure that the
name/title of the disk is exactly like that first installer folder.
This way when the installer script checks to see if the disk in the
drive is disk one it should find it and carry on its merry way.

Try that. Hope I'm on the right track.

- Scott

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Apple's Macintosh is great any time

BUT

Ontario grown MacIntosh Apples are at their peak just about now.

Enjoy them while they're in season!</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE>

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:23:15 +0000
From: abrody <abrody@smart.net>
Subject: (A) Type 10 crashes

Dear Digest readers,
Much belated, but I think I have stumbled across one of the causes of Type
10 errors that has not been mentioned before.   Apple's Launcher 3.1 (part
of MacOS 8.0) when combined with Kaleidoscope 2.1's antique scheme will
crash with a Type 10 error when you close all windows with the macro
command-option-W.   Disable Kaleidoscope, and command-option-W with Apple's
Launcher loaded and no crash.   I have reproduced this several times without
fail.   

The sequence of events to reproduce the crash:
1. Load with Launcher at Startup (from the General Controls control panel)
2. Load with Kaleidoscope 2.1 active on the Antique scheme.
3. Have more windows than just the Launcher open
4. Close all windows by hitting these three keys command (sometimes Apple or
cloverleaf) - option - W.

It doesn't matter how many applications are open at the time. It reproduces
itself faithfuly on MacOS 8.0 and a PowerMac 7200/75.  

Anybody else seen behavior like this?

Sincrely,
abrody@smart.net

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:48:28 -0500
From: Marlon Deason <marlond@earthlink.net>
Subject: (Q) Extension Folder organization

>One of the prime features of the Mac OS is the way the system software is
>elegantly handled through control panels and extensions...

I think we are all in agreement here :-)

quiz:

What does 'msftint.dll' do? don't know?

ok,

What does 'Microsoft Internet Library' do? 

still don't know. but you probably get the picture. The way the Mac
handles inits and libraries is literally light-years ahead of anything
Microsoft is shovelling out. but still... 

>For other mac tasks, this is easly handled by the creative use of nested
>folders. But you can't do this with the extensions folder...

>With all the creative stuff out there, is there an
>existing solution? Anyone want to get creative and generate one?

I use Apple's Extension manager set to display by package. This groups
items by the application that installed them (if the programmer was
thoughtfull enough to label them). Confict Catcher may have simular a
feature. But hey, extension manager is free.

Marlon Deason
marlond@earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:37:26 -0500
From: Lanny Chambers <lanny@derived.com>
Subject: >>>'s

On 10/2/98 14:32,  "Norman R. Friedman" <norm@helix.nih.gov>wrote:

>Subject: >>>'s
>
>Someone had once replied how to eliminate those dreadful >>>'s at the start
>of each line when forwarding an email message. Does anyone know of a way
>except by pasting to word processing an erasing each line??

Go to: http://www.newertech.com/software/spelltools.html and download the 
free SpellTools. In addition to spell checking, it has some very useful 
specialized editing features, including what you want. Every online Mac 
needs this little app.

Lanny Chambers (lanny@derived.com) St. Louis, USA
Visit the Hummingbird Page: <http://www.derived.com/hummers/>

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:50:07 -0400
From: Len Kaufman <nfmug@mediaone.net>
Subject: >>>'s

On 10/2/98 15:32, Info-Mac, info-mac@starnine.com wrote:

>From: "Norman R. Friedman" <norm@helix.nih.gov>
>Subject: >>>'s
>
>
>Someone had once replied how to eliminate those dreadful >>>'s at the start
>of each line when forwarding an email message. Does anyone know of a way
>except by pasting to word processing an erasing each line??
>Thanks in advance and you can send to
>norm@helix.nih.gov

Norman,

Try a great little utility called textSOAP. It will not only get rid of 
the >>>'s, but just about anything else you want to eliminate in email 
text. Download a copy at:

<http://www.unmarked.com/textsoap.html>

Len
_______oOOo________oOOo__________________________________________________
Len Kaufman, President                nfmug@mediaone.net
North Florida Macintosh Users Group   http://www.jacksonville.net/~nfmug

Own one and you'll understand - Choose Macintosh!

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Date: 	Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:32:13 -0400
From: "Howard M. Fried" <refried@email.unc.edu>
Subject: [Q] Fonts and monitor resolution

Two things I understand least.

Under Sys 7.5 (maybe earlier) the Views control panel lets one select any
of the fonts in the Fonts folder as the font displayed by the Finder for
icons.  No such choice under Sys 8.x?  Any idea why?

Why are PowerBook 12 inch displays (STN or TFT) limited to 800 X 600 while
the 13 and 14 inch models can display at 1024 X 768?  Is this a hardware
limitation?

Many thanks,
Howard Fried

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:44:50 -0400
From: Karen Wheless <kwheless@rockland.net>
Subject: [Q] OT vs. MacTCP (was OT/PPP vs. MacPPP)

>I gave up a good stable Internet connection with average connect
>speeds around 48K bps(with MacTCP and FreePPP) for a nightmare
>of instability and average connect speeds of 19,600 (with OT and
>either FreePPP or OT/PPP).

In my experience, the problem with OT/PPP isn't Open Transport itself, but
the badly written modem scripts that rarely work the way they are supposed
to.  When I upgraded to a USR x2 modem, I had the same problems, constant
disconnections, low connect speeds, stalls and timeouts, even though I was
using the newest modem script downloaded from USR.  I added some additional
commands to the file, and, through a lot of trial and error, ended up with
a workable modem script that gives me fast and stable connections with my
system.  I don't know why the modem scripts provided by Apple and the modem
manufacturers are so unworkable, but that may be the source of the
problems.

Karen Wheless
kwheless@rockland.net

_________________________________
Karen Wheless        kwheless@rockland.net
"Science may have found a cure for most evils,
but it has found no remedy for the worst of
them all -- the apathy of human beings.'
                        Helen Keller

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:30:48 -0500
From: Marlon Deason <marlond@earthlink.net>
Subject: [Q] Scripting additions

Thanks to Mac OS 8 I now have a groovy 'Scripting Additions' folder in
the system folder with a custom icon. Unfortunately, some apps still
look for the 'Scripting Additions' folder in the extensions folder. I
tried putting an alias to the 'Scripting Additions' in the extensions
folder, but no joy. It is really getting to be a pain managing my OSAX
and add-ins in two folders.

Will OS 8.5 or a future version of AppleScript fix this?

Thanks

Marlon Deason
marlond@earthlink.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:07:43 -0400
From: Jason Rainbows <rainbow@kagi.com>
Subject: [Q] Sticky Cursor for sys7?

Some time ago, I remember seeing a Sys.7 extension that emulates
System 8's "Sticky Cursor" when selecting from menus.

Does anybody know the name of, and/or where I can find this
extension?

Thanks in advance,

-Jason Rainbows
rainbow@kagi.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~jasonrainbows

"littera scripta manet - non omnis moriar"

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:47:09 +0100
From: Nigel Bevan <nbevan@usability.serco.com>
Subject: [Q] Sunrise/sunset times

Does anyone know of a utility which will calculate sunrise and sunset times
worldwide?  I have a rather basic utility from 1987 called Al Mu'azzen
(intended for Muslim prayer calculations).  I was looking for something
better, but I can't find anything in the Infomac Archives.

Thanks .. Nigel

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:41:17 -0400
From: Will Wagers <hyle@gte.net>
Subject: Ancient Manuscript Backgrounds

Hello,

I am working on a website to contain the texts of various ancient manuscripts.
So, I need HTML backgrounds for:

	granite, sandstone, limestone,
	papyrus, parchment,
	bark, palm leaf,
	leather (scroll), vellum, jaguar skin

If you know where to find any of these or if you have any other suggestions,
please e-mail me directly.

Cheers,

Will Wagers	hyle@gte.net	"Reality is the best metaphor."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:03:04 -0500
From: Chaz Larson <chaz@visi.com>
Subject: Bad BBox

At 2:43 PM -0500 9/30/98, Lawrence Rugolo wrote:
>Could someone tell me where I can get a copy of the font "Arial Bold"?

This is one of the Microsoft TrueType fonts.  It comes with Office and with
Internet Explorer, and is also available from somewhere on
www.microsoft.com.

chazl

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:24:43 -0400
From: gene nail <gnail@tds.net>
Subject: Caution about Norton Utils 8.0

Just a day or so ago i read one article about a mac user having problems
with the new Norton Utilities.  I should have heeded his warning.  I got
my copy a few days ago and today installed it and used it.  Too Bad.  It
didn't ruin anything, but it did ruin two of my Disk Drive TuneUp
partitions (which i had to reinitialize and re-install from backups) and
it also damaged to MO disks which required the same treatment.
Fortunately, it only ruined one system folder, and it was on the MO
disk.
I'd recommend anyone attempting to use the new Norton to be certain that
everything is backed up and that they have an alternate startup disk
(other than the Norton CD).  I certainly won't run Norton again until I
see some changes and some user recommendations.

gene nail
gnail@tds.net

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:02:13 -0800
From: Gerry <speak@primenet.com>
Subject: Corrupted Desktop Icon

When I run Norton Disk Doctor 3.5.2 (4.0 is on the way).  It recently
announced that the file "icon" in my Desktop folder has a corrupted
resource.  I know it's invisible and I I can find it but I'm unsure about
simply deleting it.  Is this called for?

\\\--- Gerry
---------------------------------------------------
Wagner's music is better than it sounds.
  --  Mark Twain

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:33:25 -0400
From: "Douglas W. St.Clair" <dwstclair@tellink.net>
Subject: Disk Problems on G3s?

We just purchased seven G3s. It was necessary to copy most of the material
from the older systems, Centris 650s, to the new system. Since the disks,
on the old systems, were small (about 200-500 Mbytes) we simply copied the
entire disk over the ethernet to the new systems, removed the old system
and finder and ran Nortons on the first four systems. Nortons said all the
systems showed problems. Two of these systems were so badly damaged we had
to reinitialize them. For these systems and the other three G3s I removed
the old disks from the systems and put them in an external drive box and
copied over the SCSI bus.

1. What are the limits for a reliable transfer over the ethernet?
2. Are there know problems with the IDE drives?
3. Any other observations would be helpful.

I only get my info-mac mail once a week. Please if you respond directly to
the list please send a message directly to me too.

Thanks in advance
END
end
**************************************************
Douglas W. St.Clair
Tir Na Nog
400 Burton Highway
Wilton. NH 03086-5022
PH: 603-654-9321
FAX: 603-654-5440
EMAIL: dwstclair@tellink.net
**************************************************

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:51:02 -0400
From: Louis Bergeron <tiwi@lino.com>
Subject: From 7.5 directly to 7.5.5

7.5.5 is definitively better then 7.5.3, because it is an upgrade to an
official CD sold by Apple as such. I bought 7.5.3 on CD and upgraded to
7.5.5 and all is fine on a 68030. You can go to 7.6.1 on that machine and
after that, nothing more. But 7.5.5 is better, 7.6 being more PPC oriented
from what I know.

You can check InformInit to know the differences between those systems in
details if you are interested.

Louis

>*** chazzz Mac spazzz:
>
>>Update from 7.5 to 7.5.3 is a bad move. Go for the Gold and get 7.5.5
>>OR 7.6.1.
>>7.5.3 was the most unstable upgrade Apple ever put out for the 7.x OS.
>
>You obviously never tried 7.5.2 ;-)
>
>In my opinion, 7.5.3 was not bad and upgrading to it from 7.5 should
>definitely be a good move. You don't say on what you base your
>opnionon so it's impossible to argue against it but I'm pretty sure
>that not many who have made that move would agree with you.
>
>Anyway, since 7.5.5 is better than 7.5.3, there's not much point in
>arguing. Then those who can, would probably benefit to go further to
>7.6.1, 8.1, or 8.5.
>
>Bo
>
>--
>Bo Bjulen		<mailto:bbjn@pobox.com>

Louis Bergeron C.P. 936 Rouyn Rouyn-Noranda Qc Canada J9X 5C8
Telephone-Phone (819) 764-3862  Telecopieur-Fax (819) 764-3758

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:45:00 +0100
From: Daniel Cohen <D.E.Cohen@qmw.ac.uk>
Subject: FWB HardDiskToolkit 2.5 problem

>I don't have any help to offer on your FWB Hard disk toolkit problem, but
>I have
>one of my own.

>I am running MacOS 8.1 on a 7500 powermac and have FWB 2.5.2. installed. I
>have an
>Iomega JAZ drive and I have installed the FWB drivers on the disks.

Do you know about the PC Exchange problem? HD Toolkit and the version of PC
exchange that came with system 8.1 are incompatible. Symptons can be (in
Norton, for instance) alleged damaged master directory blocks, and related
things.

My sens is that, if one's not running Norton, it's probably OK to ignore
the problem, but you might want to be safe. In that case, delete PC
Exchange or replace it with the previous version.

Worth trying for your problem.

Daniel Cohen

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:03:57 -0500
From: Lawrence Rugolo <artxe@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: FWB HardDiskToolkit 2.5 problem

On this thread, Michel Treisman wrote:

> I don't have any help to offer on your FWB Hard disk toolkit problem, but
> I have one of my own.
>
> I am running MacOS 8.1 on a 7500 powermac and have FWB 2.5.2. installed.
> I have an Iomega JAZ drive and I have installed the FWB drivers on the
> disks.
>
> One disk is damaged. It failed a surface scan (TechTool Pro). I tried to
> reformat it using FWB.  I ran Format for a low-level format.  FWB tells
> me: the disk is damaged, use Test to repair it.  I run Test, choosing the
> option 'Scan and Reallocate'.  FWB now tells me idt needs a low-level
> format.  How do I get out of this vicious circle so that it will actually
> reallocate the damaged blocks?   Does anyone know?   (I don't get a
> relevant answer from FWB).   Has anyone encountered this problem before?
>> Mike

Your problems may be solved by using the Iomega tools rather than FWB tools
to reformat and initialize the JAZ disks.

Larry
--
.........................................................
Lawrence Rugolo, Prof Emeritus, Univ of Missouri-Columbia
       VOICE MAIL: 573/882-9438  FAX: 573/884=6807
           WWW: http://www.missouri.edu/~artxe
........... EMAIL: artxe@showme.missouri.edu ............

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:20:24 -0700
From: Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com>
Subject: Fwd: >>>'s

Norm asked,

>Someone had once replied how to eliminate those dreadful >>>'s at the start
>of each line when forwarding an email message. Does anyone know of a way
>except by pasting to word processing an erasing each line??

	There are several ways to do it, and I'm sure you'll hear about
them. The one I enjoy is a plug-in for Eudora called Add/Strip Quotes. It
works admirably and right from within Eudora's menu so it's easy to hand.
	There's another, called "Quote/Space/Tab". Plus many other little
AppleScripts that work with drag and drop. I haven't been able to find the
site for these things tonight, but I could certainly send you one or two if
you wish.

Daly

<mailto:jessup@san.rr.com>
Daly Jessup

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:09:58 -0500
From: Chaz Larson <chaz@visi.com>
Subject: Fwd: Sysytem File: damaged

>When I goto open the SYSTEM file -- to add / delete / copy sound files -- I
>get a System damaged error.

This is a known problem involving certain versions of the "Appearance"
extension, specifically the one installed with Eudora 4.  Remove this
extension, and the problem will go away.

Alternatively, you can work around the problem:

1. Holding down the option key, darag a copy of your System file to the
Desktop.
2. add/delete/copy the files to/from that copy of the System File.
3. Rename the System file in your System Folder to "Old System".
4. Drag "Old System" to the Desktop.
5. Drag "System" [the one you modified] into the System Folder.
6. Close, open, then close the System Folder.  Make sure it has the correct
   System Folder icon.
7. Restart your machine.

Go to www.macfixit.com, search for "Appearance" and you should get a bunch
more information about the problem.

chazl

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:14:59 -0400
From: Tom Coradeschi <tcora@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Fwd: Sysytem File: damaged

Daly Jessup:
>When I goto open the SYSTEM file -- to add / delete / copy sound files -- I
>get a System damaged error.
>
>I've run NORTON utilities and TECH TOOLS PRO -- both give the system a
>clean bill of health (and yet I still get the errors)

All those tools will tell you is the general health of your hard disk and
the file systems on them, rather than the system files. I'd suggest doing a
fresh install of the MacOS.

                 tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
                     http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/

------------------------------

Date: 3 Oct 98 18:45:18 -0400
From: "Scott Beach" <sbeach@front.net>
Subject: G3 Hard Drive partitions?

<SMALLER><SMALLER><FIXED>Neal Lipschutz <<neallip@frontiernet.net>
writes:

>I've received much conflicting advise on how I should format my 6 Gig

>HD. Should I bother to make two 3 Gig partitions or just leave it as
one

>giant HD. If I go with two 3 Gigs does it matter where I place my
System

>folder, Data, Internet applications. Thanks for any help you might
give.

Neal:</FIXED></SMALLER></SMALLER><X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMI=
LY><PARAM>Geneva</PARAM>

If the drive comes formatted as HFS+ then there's no space savings to
be had by partitioning as there would be if it were HFS formatted.

However, there may be performance considerations that I don't know
about. For example. where something gets written on the disk and and
how fast the access is to that portion of the disk. Perhaps a more
knowledgeable list reader can tell us about that.

- Scott

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Apple's Macintosh is great any time

BUT

Ontario grown MacIntosh Apples are at their peak just about now.

Enjoy them while they're in season!</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE>

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:24:56 -0700
From: "R. Stotyn" <rstotyn@uniserve.com>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #178


Info-Mac wrote:

> Subject: Wtd: Mac friendly service provider
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:43:58 -0600
> From: John Hayes <jwyatth@nucleus.com>
>
> Hello
>     I am moving to Vancouver BC, Canada soon, and I am looking for a
> good internet service provider in the area, would anyone have a
> suggestion of who I could try?
> Thankyou for your time and effort
> John Hayes

Uniserve works for me. There appear to be real humans there, and they do have
some idea that Macs exist. The only downside is that the main office is in
Aldergrove, some distance from Greater Vancouver. I don't know if they have an
office in Vancouver.

Russ Stotyn

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:08:11 -0400
From: rob <rob.durnford@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #178

quoting Info-Mac and possibly previous message abstract:

>
>Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:04:21 -0400
>From: "Norman R. Friedman" <norm@helix.nih.gov>
>Subject: >>>'s
>
>
>Someone had once replied how to eliminate those dreadful >>>'s at the start
>of each line when forwarding an email message. Does anyone know of a way
>except by pasting to word processing an erasing each line??
>Thanks in advance and you can send to
>norm@helix.nih.gov
>
>
>------------------------------
Try MacUser's Scrapboard.  This is found at Ziff Davis " Download's on 
the mac side.  Just do a search for MacUser's ScrapBoard.  This is a 
wonderful control strip module.  Used in conjucction with Finder Noe 2.1 
I can do some real magic.  I have eliminated many simpletext readme's and 
replaced them with much smaller finder notes and clipping files.  I also 
clean up a lot of quoted text with this combo.

           >........FIRONIRONIRONIRONIRONIRONIRE.......<

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:12:22 -0400
From: "Mark H. Bowersox" <bowersox@bucknell.edu>
Subject: LOST TALKING ALERTS AND VOICES


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FOR SOME REASON AFTER MY SYSTEM CRASH I CAN NOT GET MY TALKING ALERTS
AND VOICES TO WORK AS FAR AS I CAN TELL EVERYTHING IS STILL THERE. CAN
SOMEONE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT PATH?

THANKS,
MARK H. BOWERSOX
POWERHOUSE OPERATOR/ I&C TECHNICIAN
BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
FOR SOME REASON AFTER MY SYSTEM CRASH I CAN NOT GET MY TALKING ALERTS AND
VOICES TO WORK AS FAR AS I CAN TELL EVERYTHING IS STILL THERE. CAN SOMEONE
POINT ME IN THE RIGHT PATH?
<P>THANKS,
<BR><FONT FACE="Apple Chancery"><FONT SIZE=+1>MARK H. BOWERSOX</FONT></FONT>
<BR>POWERHOUSE OPERATOR/ I&amp;C TECHNICIAN
<BR>BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY</HTML>

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Date: 2 Oct 1998 17:03:13 GMT
From: whitmanpc1@aol.com (WhitmanPC1)
Subject: Macintosh SE Fish Tank


Has anyone seen or heard of instructions or a kit for turning a Macintosh SE
into a genuine fish tank?

I seem to recall there was an article in MacWorld magazine, but I forget!!!

Please email me at whitmanpc1@aol.com if you have any information!

Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:58:35 +1000
From: "Stewart Smith" <stewart@SoftHome.net>
Subject: MacPlus and Zip

I got it to work on mine with system 6 on a zip but funnily enough System 7
wouldn't boot.
Just use the OS installer for System 6 and you should be able to boot off
the zip.
---------------------------
Stewart Smith
Advanced God at Purple Grapefruit
web - http://vll.com/purplegrapefruit/
mail - purplegrapefruit@kagi.com
ICQ - 6734154

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:27:16 -0400
From: "Gino J. Piazza" <gpiazza@maclink.net>
Subject: Micropoils hard drive

 Hi, I have a Micropoils hard drive that needs repair. I understand that
Micropolis filed for bankruptsy, or rather, went out of business. Does
anyone know if there is another company who took over for them and repair
Micropolis's drives? And, if not, can anyone recommend a good place that
repairs hard drives? Please contact me at:  gpiazza@maclink.net 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:29:14 -0400
From: robert.girouard@tcs.wap.org
Subject: PCText 1.5 Problem


	I downloaded PCText 1.5 (after seeing it on a recent issue of
Info-Mac) and used it to try to convert a small document (>tourist<) I
copied from my PC at work to my Mac 6100/66 at home.

	The progress bar did its thing and the new document,
>tourist.conv<, appeared.

	When I clicked on >tourist.conv<, I got the following message:
"Converting file.  Document will appear in a new untitled window.  0%."

	Then....nothing.  No document appeared anywhere.  When I did a
search for >touris.conv<, I only came up with the one document, the one on
which I double clicked.

	When I tried to open >tourist.conv< from within MS/Word 5.1, I got
the same "Converting file.  Document will appear in a new untitled window.
0%." message.

	When I dragged and droppped >tourist.conv< onto the alias for
Tex-Edit+2.3.3, I got mostly gobbledygook with some text mixed in.  When I
dragged and dropped it onto the alias for ClarisWorks 4.0v5, it crashed my
Mac so badly that even MacsBug could't free it and I had to do a forced
restart.

	Am I missing something?  Doing something wrong?

	Any help/advice would be sincerely appreciated.

	Thanks,
	Bob Gerard

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."  Flo Kennedy.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:06:51 +0000
From: Leslie Burkholder <lburkhdl@interchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: PPT graphics filter

Powerpoint98 will save a presentation as an HTML file. However, the process of
saving often dies. In particular, the graphics filter (which is used to
convert each slide in the presentation to an image, eg a gif or jpeg image)
often crashes when the slides contain graphics.

Is this a bug? Is there a work-around (eg, some setting of the quality or size
of the image produced) that will help? 

Thanks
Leslie Burkholder
(Please send a copy of the reply to lburkhdl@interchange.ubc.ca)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:09:25 -0400
From: "Mark H. Bowersox" <bowersox@bucknell.edu>
Subject: PREFERENCES FOLDER


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MY POWER MAC 7300/200 RUNNING MAC 7.6.1 TOOK A DIVING CRASH. I GOT IT UP
BUT STILL NEED TO WORK MORE ON IT. THE PREFERENCES FOLDER IS LOADED WITH
EMPTY FOLDER FROM ALL THE GAMES THAT THE KIDS PLAY AND ALL THE OTHERS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN FORCE THE SYSTEM TO TRASH THESE OR PUT THEM
SOMEWHERE THAT I CAN TRASH THEM WITH THE CLICK OF THE MOUSE?

THANKS,
MARK H. BOWERSOX
POWERHOUSE OPERATOR/ I&C TECHNICIAN
BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY

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Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
MY POWER MAC 7300/200 RUNNING MAC 7.6.1 TOOK A DIVING CRASH. I GOT IT UP
BUT STILL NEED TO WORK MORE ON IT. THE PREFERENCES FOLDER IS LOADED WITH
EMPTY FOLDER FROM ALL THE GAMES THAT THE KIDS PLAY AND ALL THE OTHERS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN FORCE THE SYSTEM TO TRASH THESE OR PUT THEM SOMEWHERE
THAT I CAN TRASH THEM WITH THE CLICK OF THE MOUSE?
<P>THANKS,
<BR><FONT FACE="Apple Chancery"><FONT SIZE=+1>MARK H. BOWERSOX</FONT></FONT>
<BR>POWERHOUSE OPERATOR/ I&amp;C TECHNICIAN
<BR>BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY</HTML>

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:02:35 -0500
From: Lawrence Rugolo <artxe@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Printing Webpages

Re the post in Info-Mac Digest V16 #178:

> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:18:48 +0100
> From: glaston <glaston@fix.net>
> Subject: Printing Webpages
>
> This is a silly problem that I have been unable to solve for years.
> Perhaps somebody can help. When I print some web pages, they do not
> fit on the paper and the overflow portion, often only a letter or two,
> prints on another page. This is not only frustrating, it wastes a lot
> of paper. I'm using a Personal Laserwriter 320 and LaserWriter 8. I
> have tried the US Letter Small as well as US Letter Page Setup settings,
> but that does not seem to help.
> If I set the font sizes any smaller in Navigator, I can't read the
> monitor.
> I have looked at the famous manuals and I never seem to be able to find
> anything that addresses the problem?
> Any serious advice for a silly problem?

My response:

While your browser is the active application, and assuming that you have a
"Page Setup..." command in your File Menu, you should select "Page
Attributes" from the dialog box which opens when you click on "Page
Setup..."; then change the "Scale" text box from "100%" to some smaller
figure. I usually set it to 85% which is still readable but which will fit
on the 8.5 x 11" page very well. Incidentally, don't ever choose "US Letter
Small" -- that's likely to spill characters over to another page.

HTH....Larry

.........................................................
Lawrence Rugolo, Prof Emeritus, Univ of Missouri-Columbia
       VOICE MAIL: 573/882-9438  FAX: 573/884=6807
           WWW: http://www.missouri.edu/~artxe
........... EMAIL: artxe@showme.missouri.edu ............

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:51:30 -0700
From: Christine.DePedro@sirius.com (xine@sirius.com)
Subject: Q: Japanese WWW sites with US MacOS 8.1?

At 7:50am +0900 9.11.1998, Lewin A.R.W. Edwards wrote:

> I want to be able to browse Japanese WWW sites using my MacOS 8.1US
> PowerBook 1400. No, I don't have the Japanese WorldScript pack installed
> - I do NOT need an input method, I just want to be able to view Japanese
> (Shift-JIS) HTML in my WWW browser.

I havn't used this service personally, but it may be just what you're
looking for. I'll quote the article I read it from (The Japan Journal,
Oct/Nov 98, Christopher Sigur)

"...You too may have attempted to enter Japanese Internet sites and found
the distinctively non-Japanese gibberish text, known as Mojibake, displayed
on your monitor. I thought ther had to be a better way to solve the problem
than by downloading special browsers or purchasing expensive mediation
software. I recently discovered a web site and service that allows users to
solve the Mojibake problem for free.

It is called the Shodouka Launchpad and is located at www.shodouka.com. The
Shodouka Launchpad allows a web user to access any Japanese site and view
the Japanese language text without the use of tedious Japanese based
browsers or expensive software. For the techies out there, the Shodouka
technology renders the double-byte font system of Kanji into standard
browser viewable single-byte fonts. For the rest of us, it means you can
finally read the Japanese text."

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:06:42 -0600
From: Adam Gluckman <gluck1@flash.net>
Subject: Q:Netscape 4.06 and bus error

Hi-
I'm running Netscape 4.06 on a 7300/200, sometimes Netscape crashes.When
it does I get a system error message of Bus Error. Any suggestions as to
what could be causing this error and any reccommended fixes are
appreciated.

Thanks,
Adam
--
Visit my web site
http://www.gluck1.com

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:49:34 -0400
From: Rita Balkin/Al Balkin <ritab@hargray.com>
Subject: Start Up

Sometimes my Mac and monitor do not converse on start up. The start up
chord sounds, but the screen remains gray and I have to shut it down by
unplugging and then starting up again. I have a G3 with OS8.1. The machine
is 2 months old and it just started doing it this week. Does anyone know
what the problem is?

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:49:34 +1200
From: Ian Orchard <I.Orchard@mac.co.nz>
Subject: Subject: >>>'s 

In Info-Mac Digest V16 #178 "Norman R. Friedman" <norm@helix.nih.gov> asked:

>Subject: >>>'s
>
>Someone had once replied how to eliminate those dreadful >>>'s at the start
>of each line when forwarding an email message. Does anyone know of a way
>except by pasting to word processing an erasing each line??
>Thanks in advance and you can send to
>norm@helix.nih.gov

I use SpellTools, a delightful application from Newer Technology. Among
it's collection of utility functions is add and strip ">" from selected
text.
Along with Spell Checking (on any document by your nominated word
manglers), Normalise Returns & Spaces, Strip Leading Spaces, UPPER CASE,
lower case and Capitalise, Word Count, Find & Replace, Speak text and add
Rubber Stamps (blocks of text...ideal for a selection of sigs etc).

One of the all-time Great Mac freebies. Thank you Newer, there is a special
shrine on my desktop just for you.

Gallop over to <http://www.newertech.com/> for a copy.

----
Keep in touch....Ian O <I.Orchard@mac.co.nz>

MacOS....if it was any more fun, they'd make it illegal.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:04:26 EST
From: etter@umbsky.cc.umb.edu
Subject: SuperBoomerang like shareware

Does anyone know of a shareware program that work like SuperBoomerang from
Now Utilities?  Now Utilities does not work with System 8 and they are
apparently not developing a new version for the Mac.  Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Ron Etter

etter@umbsky.cc.umb.edu

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:40:25 -0500
From: Chaz Larson <chaz@visi.com>
Subject: Suppress RAM Disk warning?

At 11:39 AM -0400 9/29/98, Howard M. Fried wrote:
>Is there anyway to bypass the warning that all [RAM disk] contents will be
>lost on shutdown?

Not with the standard Apple RAM Disk.

Two possible solutions:
RAMBunctious, a shareware RAM Disk program.
<http://search.filez.com/search.cgi?search=1&type=2&v=&key=RAMBUNCTIOUS&file=516
6>
Okey Dokey Pro, an extension which presses the default button in dialogs if
you're not there to do it yourself.
<http://search.filez.com/search.cgi?search=1&type=2&v=&key=DOKEY&file=1777>

chazl

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:34:45 -0700
From: Chris Schram <schram@mail.coos.or.us>
Subject: Suppress RAM Disk warning?

Recently, "Howard M. Fried" <refried@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>I'm using the RAM disk from OS 8.1 Memory Control Panel as my cache for
>Netscape.  Is there anyway to bypass the warning that all contents will be
>lost on shutdown?  I'm forever shutting down and walking away, only to
>discover hours later that the machine never shut down completely because
>RAM disk had been waiting for me to respond to its warning.

Try this AppleScript in your Shutdown Items folder. I have not
personally tried this. I saw it somewhere in comp.sys.mac.<mumble>.

tell application "Finder"
	activate
	select every item of container window of disk "RAM Disk"
	delete selection
end tell

Chris Schram -- schram@mail.coos.or.us -- http://www.coos.or.us/~schram

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:44:09 -0700
From: "Jim Wickman" <jimwick@webbworks.com>
Subject: System Update Disks

You could try using Disk Copy or Shrinkwrap to mount all of the disk
images, then double-click the installer on disk one.

You could also use one of those utilities to physically make disks.

Best wishes

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:37:56 -0400
From: "Douglas W. St.Clair" <dwstclair@tellink.net>
Subject: Techtools Pro 2

I recently ran TechTools Pro V 2.0.1r3 (I think. Anyway its the most recent
CD) on a G3. It said the PRAM was bad. I upgraded to 2.11 and the PRAM
error disappeared. I also ran it on another G3 after Nortons and Disk First
Aid said the disk was ok. It so badly hosed the disk it wouldn't mount. I
recovered it with Nortons (to the point it would mount) but half the files
were gone.

Am I just luck or are there problems with this product?

I only get my info-mac mail once a week. Please if you respond directly to
the list please send a message directly to me too.

Thanks in advance
END
end
**************************************************
Douglas W. St.Clair
Tir Na Nog
400 Burton Highway
Wilton. NH 03086-5022
PH: 603-654-9321
FAX: 603-654-5440
EMAIL: dwstclair@tellink.net
**************************************************

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:27:52 +1000
From: Peter Sealy <psealy@tyndale.apana.org.au>
Subject: Virtual Reality

Hi
I would much appreciate some help. I can not see VR images. I can access a
site on the web but no VR images are accessible. I have a PPC Performa
5400/120/56/1.2/OS8.1 and use Internet Explorer 4.01
I have Quicktime VR 2.0.1 extension enabled. I dowloaded Shockwave plugin
[don't know if it installed itself fully or correctly]. Within the IE 4.01
folder there is:
Plugins Folder. Inside this folder is:
		- Quicktime Plugin
		- NP-PPC-Dir Shockwave
		- Shockwave Flash NP-PPC
		- ShockwavePlugin.class
		- NP-PPC-Dir-Shockwave Folder.  In this folder is:
			- Xtras Folder.  In this folder is:
				- Flash Asset PPC
				- SWA Decompression PPC Xtra
				- SWA Streaming PPC Xtra
 When I access a VR site no VR or 3D images are available. I have even
tried the Microsoft  VRML site which has two test images and a few
troubleshooting tips to try. No result. What else do I need? I have read
somewhere about VRML 2.0.  What is this? Do I need it? Where from? I may
have inadvertently trashed a vital extension at some time but I do not know
what.
Thanks
Peter

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:34:53 -0500
From: Chaz Larson <chaz@visi.com>
Subject: Viruses: Mac & IBM

At 2:42 PM +0100 9/23/98, dudley warrington thomas wrote:
>Every time I send people .jpg files on AOL or via the internet, they tell
>me their virus programs send up an alert. I have VIREX, the latest updater
>file and get a clean bill of health.

If you're sending non-executable data files [that do not contain anything
like Word macros] from a Mac to a PC, you can rest assured there is no way
for you to be transmitting a virus to them.  Even if your Mac had a virus,
which it apparently doesn't, it would be Mac-specific and could not infect
a PC.  And vice versa. [again, except for those Word/Excel Macro viruses].

That said, does this happen with only jpgs or with any attached file?  I
suspect that the virus checkers are alerting you associates to the
possiblity that there may be a virus in that attached file, without
actually examining the attached file.

chazl

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