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Info-Mac Digest             Tue, 26 Jan 99       Volume 16 : Issue 248

Today's Topics:

      [*] TidBITS#464/25-Jan-99
      (C) Eudora tip - multiple e-mail accounts
      (C) Warning - OS Booster shareware has unusual installation
      (Q) CD Recorder
      (Q) Drive Setup and Unsupported Drives
      (Q) Freeze on Shutdown
      (Q) SPELL CHECKER
      (R) Drive Setup and Unsupported Drive
      (R) Thanks be to Info-Mac people
      Change alert sounds?
      Couple Questions (Answered)
      File Size
      Info-Mac Digest V16 #244
      Net problem with 8.5.1
      Page setup defaults
      Personal experiences with MacResQ (R)
      The Musician 3.0.0
      Trying to save a vintage MacII
      Unable to open NCSA Telnet 2.7b4
      VM problem

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:00 -0800
From: TidBITS Editors <editors@tidbits.com>
Subject: [*] TidBITS#464/25-Jan-99

TidBITS#464/25-Jan-99

Digital cameras continue to drop in price while adding cool features, and
in this issue, digital photography expert Arthur Bleich provides his top
picks for digital cameras. Also, Randy Parker looks at visual HTML editors
in an attempt to replace the moribund Symantec Visual Page - although none
meet his needs entirely, read on for his choice for a replacement. In the
news, Optima System released PageSpinner 2.1, an update to their
text-oriented HTML editor.

Topics:
    MailBITS/25-Jan-99
    Still Crying Over Symantec Visual Page
    The Second Generation of Digital Cameras, Part 2

<http://www.tidbits.com/tb-issues/TidBITS-464.html>
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:00:13 -0500
From: abrody@smart.net
Subject: (C) Eudora tip - multiple e-mail accounts

Dear Digest readers,
Eudora Pro now, at least with version 4.1b60, supports multiple 
e-mail accounts.    No more copying to and from the Eudora folder 
more than once.     All you have to do is double click an alias on 
your desktop to the e-mail account you want to check.  Yeah!

Here's how to set it up for that method
1. Open Eudora
2. Modify the settings from the Special menu to use the POP3 address 
of an account, and be sure to use the settings to Save password.
3. Check mail
4. Quit from Eudora
5. Go to your System Folder's Eudora Folder.
6. Copy the Eudora Settings File, and rename it to the account name 
you want to check with your aforementioned POP3 changes.
7. Make an alias of the renamed Eudora Settings Copy file and put the 
alias on your desktop.

Repeat steps 1 through 7 for as many e-mail accounts you have to setup.

Remember you have to quit Eudora before you change accounts.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
abrody@smart.net

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:44:05 -0500
From: abrody@smart.net
Subject: (C) Warning - OS Booster shareware has unusual installation

Dear Digest readers,
OS Booster 1.0.2, the shareware recently released has unusual 
installation instructions.   Strangely you only find out about them 
after installing it.   It states you need to install it with 
extensions enabled, and not disabled.   I found out about it the hard 
way, as I read the html documents in the files installed using BBEdit 
before I restarted from my extensions disabled.   When I restarted I 
got no cursor.    Thought people might want to be aware of it.

For most software packages, the safe way to install software is with 
extensions disabled, by holding the SHIFT key down during startup. 
YMMV.

Sincerely,
abrody@smart.net

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:54:59 -0500
From: Ed Ver Hoef <EVerHoef@digizen.net>
Subject: (Q) CD Recorder

I am considering getting a CD recorder to use primarily for backup
purposes. I have only recently come to this decision and know little or
nothing about CDR drives. For instance what does it mean when one of LaCie
has a drive advertised as "8x20'? I'd apprecioate it also if you can
recommedn what you feel are the best drives to look in terms of quality for
the dollar and which ones to avoid because of unreliability. What features
should I look for in whatever drives might be candidates and how do I
evaluate trade-offs among these features? Is there a difference in quality
between suppliers of recordable disks? TIA

Ed Ver Hoef

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:10:35 +0800
From: stngiam@pobox.com (Ngiam Shih Tung)
Subject: (Q) Drive Setup and Unsupported Drives

It could be that when you formatted the disk, you specified that the
drive partition only be mounted manually. Look for an option in your 3rd
party utility that allows the partition to be mounted automatically.

Either that, or that 200 MB disk is just getting tired and starts up so
slowly that the Mac skips it and goes to the next disk before it
finishes starting up ;-).

Shih Tung
 

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:50:11 -0600
From: polky <polky@northwinds.net>
Subject: (Q) Freeze on Shutdown

A problem surfaced a few weeks ago and, for the life of me, I can't 
figure it out. No help from Apple Tech Support yet either.
I'm running a 9500/233, 80 MB RAM, OS 8.5.1. When I go to sutdown, the 
icons disappear off the desktop as usual but then the cursor freezes with 
the menubar still visible. At this point I have to shut the power off to 
quit. I've run CC8 and it reports that the problem is Quicktime 3 with no 
other conflicting extensions, control panels, etc. It is correct in that, 
if I disable QT3, the shutdown process proceeds normally but then I lose 
the use of QT. Up to this point, I have lived with it but have decided to 
see if I can get to the bottom of the problem. And where better to 
go...:-)
Any ideas?

E-mail me personally if you like or post to the list. I read all.

Rob Polkinghorne
<polky@northwinds.net>

The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with it's credibility. And 
vice versa.

Never appeal to a man's "better nature." He may not have one. Invoking 
his self-interest gives you more leverage.

...from the Notebooks of Lazarus Long

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:05:31 -0500
From: "Mark H. Bowersox" <bowersox@bucknell.edu>
Subject: (Q) SPELL CHECKER

Does anyone know of a spell checker that can be downloaded or what ever to use
with Microsoft outlook express? I tryed to contact Microsoft but got no where. I
tryed reinstalling Netscape communicator and running but mac started to frezze
up and netscape quit working. Tryed having Bucknell reinstall Eudro but doesn't
work right with MAC OS8.5.1. I will not remove 8.5 becouse other then the
netscape and eudro problems it makes this mac work like a new machine and
running faster then ever. It's a Powermac 7300/200.

--
Mark H. Bowersox
CO-GENERATION PLANT OPERATOR
I&C TECHNICIAN
BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY
bowersox@bucknell.edu

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:05:12 +0100
From: cbuser@access.ch (Christian F Buser)
Subject: (R) Drive Setup and Unsupported Drive

"Tucker, Bryan (NMSVAX36)" <bryan.tucker@baesema.co.uk> wrote:

> I have a Maxtor LXT213SY c.200Mb hard drive but can't get it to be
> 'bootable'.
> 
> I can successfully format it using 'Third party' formatting utilities and
> install a system on it.  But even when selected as the startup disk, the
> Mac> doesn't recognise the disk at system start and defaults to the
> original system disk.

Do you have a valid system folder on that drive?  A "valid" system
folder has a special icon showing a small Mac. If you are sure that the
system folder SHOULD BE valid, but is not, you may open it and close it
again so that the Mac "sees" the system file and the finder file in thhe
system folder. 

> I think (and this is pure speculation) that I need to run Apple's Drive
> Setup to make the disk 'bootable', but the application reports that it
> can't modify an 'unsupported drive'.

No. is is not a condition

Best wishes, Christian.

-- 
Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland)
phone: (+41-56) 491 0877 - <http://www.mus.ch/members/cbuser>
"Wo Hunger herrscht, kann Friede nicht Bestand haben"  - Willy Brandt

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:10:08 -0700
From: "dave.trautman" <dave.trautman@home.com>
Subject: (R) Thanks be to Info-Mac people

In a previous mailing I described some trouble I had resuscitating a 
Quantum drive inside a vintage MacII.  I appealed to the Info-Mac 
community.

Although not a deluge, the responses were very helpful.  Two suggestions 
came together from different people and the combination seems to have 
helped me over the hurdle.

Al Brody recommended not working with recent or current OS startups and 
this triggered a change in my tactics.  The drive came preformatted with 
Lacie's Silverlining 5.5.4 and I never really had to use the four 
floppies which were in the package.  I did, on occasions when 
re-organizing partitions and such, use the High Density floppies with a 
mini-system 7 and a DFA/SL combination.  I'd become so used to using 
these HD floppies that I totally forgot I also had a pair of 800K 
floppies with a mini-system 6.0.8 and the same utilities combination.

Another useful suggestion (from Tony <momma@brainerd.net> ) was to leave 
the internal drive without power until the boot-up process was underway 
and then let it spin-up while the system was still loading from floppy.  
This was an insightful suggestion because I had described where starting 
with the drive connected produced a RAM or SCSI boot error and the chimes 
of death.  Boots worked whenever I left the drive "offline".  Later 
connecting the drive DFA or SL would not "see" the drive and fixing it 
was not going to happen.

When I combined the first suggestion with the second suggestion I had the 
real answer.  Booting from 6.0.8 without the internal drive powered, then 
plugging it in once the Silverlining utility was running produced the 
desired SCSI call and the fractured drive appeared in the dialogue.  
About 8 minutes later the tests and re-format were done, new drovers 
installed, and the source of the problem appeared to be that the SCSI ID 
number had been lost.  Once SL put it back the drive appears no matter 
what I boot with.  I've done 6.0.8 starts, 7.5.3 starts and even a 7.6 
start all from floppy and they all mount the drive properly.

Thanks to everyone else to sent me support and suggestions.  I think I 
replied to all of them, but for those who read the note and didn't 
forward any thoughts I felt it important to let everyone know there's a 
breathing MacII in northern Canada which is on the road to usefulness 
because the Mac community here on Info-Mac cared enough to help with the 
operation.

Now the slow process of reinstalling and configuring may begin.
Dave Trautman
EncycloMEDIA Ltd.
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

"We are now at a point where we must educate our children in what no one 
knew yesterday, and prepare our schools for what no one knows yet."
=8B Margaret Mead

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:29:01 +0000
From: Bob Wall <bobwall@nwlink.com>
Subject: Change alert sounds?

How do I use new alert sounds I downloaded with Powerbook 3, OS 8.1?
The Monitor and Sounds control panel only seems to allow me to use the
built in sounds or to record a new one.  I haven't been able to activate
a new, pre-recorded alert.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:42:45 -0500
From: Al Bloom <abloom@vt.edu>
Subject: Couple Questions (Answered)


My "couple questions" of the other evening were well and properly
answered. Not by all respondents, to be sure, but by enough.

Apple Printer Utility: Zone changing is in the "communication
configuration" section. Pay attention, Bloom. Not as obvious as
in the old Laserwriter Utility, to be sure, but present.

AppleShare Problem: Am I running Virex and 8.5.1 at the same time?
Could be a problem. Turn off Virex on both machines and see if that
is salutary. But my secy and I are both running Virex 5.9! But my box
is of the 851 persuasion, and Sharon's isn't. Try it, Bloom. Worked.

I then also downloaded the new 7.6.1 incarnation of Virex, put it on
my machine, and AppleShare file transfer worked fine. Who'd have
thunk it?

This is right up there with Stuffit going Dixie while I have Microsoft
Office Manager active.  Interactions that don't seem possible, but that
are very real.

I've said it before. I love this group. Thanks, all.

Al

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:19:13 -0500
From: Ed Ver Hoef <EVerHoef@digizen.net>
Subject: File Size

I have to do some housekeeping on my hard drive, getting rid of stuff I
don't need in order to make a little more room, sometimes even temporarily.
It would help if I knew the size of things at the folder level. I used to
be able to see that. As I recall, it was a function that could be turned on
and off because, although it provided useful information, it cost a lot of
time under normal usage. I have looked all over to try to find how I did
that and have had no success. I am running under OS8.1 if that has any
bearing. I'd appreciate it very much if one of you Info-Macticians could
give me a clue. TIA.

Ed Ver Hoef

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 07:36:06 -0500
From: Jeffrey Frankel <jfrankel@gwi.net>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #244

> In the Mac OS 8.5.1 help viewer, under application switching are links to
> a couple of applescripts for customizing the application switcher
> floating palatte. Does anyone know where these scripts acutally reside? I
> can't seem to find them and would like to modify one to open the app.
> switcher at startup to the lower left corner, horizontal view, in order
> of launch.
>

There is an excellent utility called Application Switcher Editor that organizes
all these options for you onto a nicely-organized tabbed pallette.  Download it
from the ususal sources.

--
Jeff Frankel
Windsor, Maine  USA
"Where the woodpecker pecks
  and the porcupine plays"

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:29:16 +0000
From: Michel Treisman <michel.treisman@psy.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: Net problem with 8.5.1

Thank you Stanton for solving my problem.  I did not find  "Apple 10/100 Fast
Ethernet" in 8.1, perhaps this special Power Computing code. But I removed "Apple
Enet" and replaced it by the earlier "Ethernet (Built-In)" and I have reliable
access to the net once more!

This is not the only problem running MacOs 8.5.1.   If I try to print on a printer
on the ethernet network, I get Error -8993.   To be able to print on the net I must
not use Laserwriter 8.6, or 8.5.1, or 8.4.3. I have to go back to 8.3.4!

This is a 7300 PowerMac, a fairly basic machine. Does anyone know why these
problems arise?  What do Apple Enet and the later versions of Laserwriter do that
didn't happen before?          Mike

---------------------------------------------------------------------
In : Info-Mac Digest V16 #246,  Stanton Hadley wrote:
               Net problem with 8.5.1
      Date:
               Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:44:08 -0500
     From:
               hadleysw@ornl.gov (Stanton W. Hadley)

I had a similar problem when putting 8.5.1 on my Power Computing Power
Center150. I finally pulled out the extension "Apple Enet" from 8.5 and
put back "Apple 10/100 Fast Ethernet" from 8.1. Then my connections worked
fine.

HTH

Stan Hadley
-----------------------------------------------------------
In article <786s4p$all$1@grapevine.lcs.mit.edu>,
 Michel Treisman wrote

>Subject: Net problem with 8.5.1
>
>Can someone help with this problem, getting on to the net reliably?
>(PowerMac 7300, running MacOs 8.5.1)
>
>I have run TechTool Pro and Disk First Aid, Rebuilt the desktop, and
>zapped the PRAM. I have removed the operating system (8.5.1)and
>reinstalled MacOs 8.5 and re-updated to 8.5.1.
>But even running with the original bare system, with NO additional
>control panels or extensions added, the following intermittent failure
>happens. Not every time I start up, but often.  When I start my Mac up,
>sometimes my ethernet connection comes up (fine), and sometimes it
>doesn=92t.
>In the latter case, I open Appletalk and find it set to Ethernet. It may
>also say <looking for port information>. If I wait, sometimes it will
>find a zone on our intranet, and then I can re establish contact with
>the network.  Other times the message changes to  <no zones available>.
>In this case I have to restart, and perhaps I will be on the net. It is
>unpredictable.
>
>I don=92t think the fault is in the hardware, because when I start up on
>MacOs 8.1 (on a different partition of the same hard disk) it always
>works.
>
>So what should I do now? Is there a problem with Open Transport (2.0.2)?
>Should I try substituting the Open Transport extensions from System 8.1
>and seeing if they work better?    Mike
>

>Michel Treisman
>Department of Experimental Psychology
>South Parks Road
>Oxford OX1 3UD
>UK
>Tel  +44 (0) 1865 271319
>Fax +44 (0)  1865 310447

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:10:31 -0500
From: William Conable <wconable@pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Page setup defaults

Dear list,

Ever since I got my new G3 running sys 8.5 (now 8.5.1) the page setup for
every app. and sometimes for every separate document within the app. has
defaulted to A4. The printer is an HP Laserjet 4000TN. Any suggestions as
to how to get it to page setup to default to US letter? Please reply to me
directly, I'm _way_ behind on the list.

Bill Conable
OSU School of Music

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:05:25 +0100
From: cbuser@access.ch (Christian F Buser)
Subject: Personal experiences with MacResQ (R)

abrody@smart.net wrote:
 
> Anybody have good or bad experiences with MacResQ they'd like to share?

I only ordered once from them (an internal 28.8k modem for a Powerbook
150). That time they had very good service. I ordered it from
Switzerland to the hotel address of a friend visiting the USA. The only
problem was the hotel - they misplaced the parcel and my friend had to
insist that it must be there. MacResQ also supported me and my friend by
telling them that they have a receipt of a hotel employee. At the end,
the hotel people found the box and my friend could bring it over to
Switzerland.

Short said: Their service was very great, and the price was right as
well. 

Hope this helps. Best wishes, Christian.

-- 
Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland)
phone: (+41-56) 491 0877 - <http://www.mus.ch/members/cbuser>
"Wo Hunger herrscht, kann Friede nicht Bestand haben"  - Willy Brandt

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:14:09 -0500
From: Rodney Schmidt <schmidtr@mail.ecu.edu>
Subject: The Musician 3.0.0

I just tried this on a G3 266MHz Mac under OS 8.5.1 and it crashed the 
machine major big time!! Use it at risk!

>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:55:09 -0700
>From: yellowsoft@iol.it
>Subject: [*] The Musician 3.0.0
>
>
>The Musician plays files having type 'WAVE','AIFF', 'AIFC', '.WAV',
>'Midi','ULAW', 'sfil', 'BINA', sounds inside Movies ('MooV'), CD Audio
>tracks ('trak') and, at last, plays 'snd ' resources inside whatever file!
>But the strength of The Musician is its scanning ability: it may explore
>your HDs, CDs, folders, diskettes, files, searching for sounds to play. 

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:34:41 +1100
From: Bill Stanford <stanford@labyrinth.net.au>
Subject: Trying to save a vintage MacII


In Info-Mac Digest V16 #244, dave.trautman <dave.trautman@home.com> wrote:

(after an interesting but sad account of reformatting a drive from his old
Mac II)

>How does one mount a stubbornly invisible hard drive which is likely in
>need of new drivers just to answer SCSI calls?

Dave, I'm assuming you've been through all the possibilities with
Silverlining - including the Select Drive dialog? running SL while booting
from a Disk Tools volume? and that you've also tried using Drive Setup 1.62?

There are two radical ways I know of fixing this.  The first is slightly
dangerous and may not work.  The second involves spending $$.

Method 1: Have a Disk Tools FD (or whatever) with Drive Setup 1.6.2 on it.
Before using this volume to start the Mac, unplug the power line to the HD
you're trying to access.  Now boot the machine from the Disk Tools volume,
and run Drive Setup.  Now - carefully - plug in the power line to the HD.
Drive Setup should "see" the HD now, and format it successfully.  I say
"should" since I've not done this in a while, but it always worked for me.
YMMV!

Method 2: Order a copy of FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit v. 3.0.1.  HDT is a far
more able format program than SL or Drive Setup etc.  It will find the
drive, I'm sure.

Good luck with this! and take things carefully ...

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:26:24 -0800
From: jennyrt@halcyon.com (Jenny Tenlen)
Subject: Unable to open NCSA Telnet 2.7b4

I've learned a lot of Mac tips over the years from reading this list, and
hope that someone can help me with this one.  

I use NCSA Telnet 2.7b4 for my telnetting needs.  It was working great
until two days ago, when I went to open Telnet and I got this error
message: "Unable to Open MacTCP reslover [sic].  Domain names will not
work."  Thinking it might be a corrupted MacTCP DNR file, I trashed that,
restarted the computer and tried again.  Same error message.  I loaded a
fresh copy of Telnet, same result.  Even loaded Telnet 2.5 with the same
result.  Right before this happened, I updated my computer from System 7.6
to System 7.6.1, and updated Open Transport to 1.1.2 (in order to load a
new program).  So I'm assuming that something in the update process caused
this problem, but can't figure out what.

A slightly related problem involves a new SupraExpress 56K V.90 modem I
just purchased last week.  It was working great until Thursday, but now
whenever I try to surf the web using Netscape Navigator 4.0.6, Netscape
freezes in mid-load.  I reloaded 4.0.6, reverted to 3.0, and upgraded to
Netscape Communicator 4.5 (necessitating the other changes noted above)
thinking that any of these things would solve the problem, but they
didn't.  I've checked all three scripts that came with the modem, and have
tried connecting at 14.4K and 33.6K with the same results.  Has anyone
else experienced this problem with their Supra?

Any help in solving either of these problems will be very much
appreciated.  Thanks!

Sincerely,

Jenny Tenlen
jennyrt@halcyon.com

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:05:54 EST
From: ABrantley@aol.com
Subject: VM problem

My machine gets all kinds of freezes with Virtual Memory turned on.
Suggestions appreciated.

I have a Mac 8500 180 MHz with 64 MB of memory(4 16Meg DIMMS installed by
retailer). I have run OS 7, 8, 8.5 and now at 8.5.1.

Whenever I try to activate Virtual memory, the machine is unstable. I get
freezes,
almost random type errors (Error 8, error 2). I get this when I load ONLY
Apple control panels and extensions and no others. I cannot work for more than
3 minutes
before the machine hangs.

However, with VM off, the machine is rock-solid, runs the same apps that fail
miserably with VM on with never a hiccup.

My workaround has been to run with VM off (hey, I got 64 meg!). However, now,
more and more apps are "space inefficient," that is, they actually require
LESS space with VM on. They are also getting large and filling my machine. For
example, I like to use AOL 4.0 for mail, but Netscape as my browser. They no
longer fit together in memory, so I'm constrained to use the AOL browser. A
problem I cannot solve is that I want to use AOL as my ISP and use a Notes
client. However, the two cannot fit in memory together.

Does anyone know of a SPECIFIC hardware/software problem with memory
management on 8500's or the VM module for 8500-180's?

Thanks

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